I see Alan Crocket is again peddling his supposed simple solution to the constitutional conundrum through the letters page of The Sunday National. It’s nonsense, of course. But no explanation of why it is nonsense seems to penetrate. Which is doubly irritating because there are more than a few things he gets right. At least he is attempting a reframing of the constitutional issue, however clumsily.
Peter .. your post is close to the nub... The Scottish Parliament should aggregate any powers it needs to itself. Some Scots are terrified of the reaction of England s Westminster.... But their reaction is necessary for our sovereignty. If it's like the Spanish reaction to Catalonias demands then all the people of Scotland will know we are simply a colony of England and not just as few enlightened ones. The reaction would be the talk of the pub and playground, once that happens our freedom is inevitable.
You are quite right to insist on eliminating Westminster from our thinking and strategy. My big worry if we are forced into a Westminster organised referendum is that it's a double age sword... What if they decide that.. a failure to reach a majority
Reach a majority constitutes a new treaty of union? With that union being indivisible and thus traps future generations of Scot's into the union.
I'm not sure I agree with you on a sovereign referendum via the Scottish Parliament... For me the democratic route of elected members deciding on UDI is all that's needed... What's the point of a referendum? If you liked a party who stated him the separation that should be sufficient. It's probably the normal in any other colony that has achieved its independence from a colonial power.
Border between the two legal systems and crowns(to present day,and forever kept in the text of AOU)
These two Kingdom's,and their sovereign law passed the AOU into their respective sovereign Kingdom's law and crowns,through two separate parliaments,1707.
Scotland Jan 1707
England March 1707
Scottish parliament then passes 'act' to destroy Scottish parliament under the Scottish crown.
The AOU,and then the Scottish act of parliament to destroy the Scottish parliament given royal assent by the separate crowns,joint monarch,Union of Crowns 1603.
If the Scottish parliament destroyed itself in 1707,where is the English parliament?
It still exists in law,but not in reality,as there are no English citizens to be elected to it.
This is why only Scotland of the two Kingdom's can do devolution. The English parliament has to exist in law,as England has parliamentary sovereignty. It is illegal to close down the English parliament.
The AOU just created a new parliament,so now British citizens in Scotland can elected to the Great Britain parliament from Scottish territory(different law),from the Great Britain landmass,which contains England,Scotland and Wales.
Basically,the AOU dissolves the border that exists forever legally(Kept in the text of the AOU),politically. So Scottish people as British citizens can be elected to a parliament outside Scottish sovereign law,and border.
Kingdom of Great Britain-British citizens
Kingdom of Great Britain-No legal system(police,criminal courts),just statute through the GB parliament for British citizens in the 'landmass' of Great Britain.
Meaning,you cannot use anything 'British' against the sovereignty of the Scottish and English Kingdom's,like the AOU or Union of Crowns.
Could it be that Mr Crocket, and many other indoctrinated Scots, find great difficulty in accepting the fact that Westminster's alleged constitutional authority is in essence an elaborate and baseless hoax; a con-trick inculcated down-the-years by the narrative(s) of our highly secretive Scottish ruling-class, which projects its power and influence through our institutions, of which they influence thus control at crucial levels alongside various Westminster appointees?
You've explained this in so many ways Peter and still the Scots don't get it..especially the SG.
What's that saying..if you do the same thing over and over again with the same outcome it shows madness..something like that..so are the Scots mad? Are we about to repeat the usual insanity...win a 'referendum' and then crawl to the cesspit ..who have absolutely nothing to do with our freedom..(because it's up to the Scottish people who are SOVEREIGN)....and yet....by ASKING /BEGGING to hold a referendum we acknowledge the ABSOLUTE CONTROL of the foreign english government over our freedom and lives...
This then allows the foreign english to feel empowered by our cringy request to make decisions for us..and in some cases not even tell us the outcome.(use of Scottish bases for american warplanes..SG not informed.)
What would we say if an Iranian missile hit Faslane....That particular target placed firmly on our backs by the foreign english.....do we have to go that far to finally see how our nation is abused, ignored and possibly destroyed...and we encourage it..
And so many foreign english ...white trash incomers that we have no control over......pretendy 'scottish ' political groups..hidden foreign investors..... dumped immigrants...foreign landowners...undercover hostiles ( Met Police).....malicious foreign english media....and our own homegrown quislings....all involved in decisions that affect our country....and the Scots go blithely along believing a X on a piece of paper will grant them independence....Keep taking the pills Scotland.
It continues to astonish me how many supposed pro-Independence proponents state that the Scottish people are sovereign in their own land whilst simultaneously stating that Westminster sanction and agreement must be obtained in order for the return to nation-state status for Scotland to be legitimate and 'legal'.
There could not be a greater contradiction in terms.
There must be no British involvement in, interference with, or influence over, the process to enact Scotland's right of self-determination.
Our side pretends we can get sovereignty(Independence)
Then say,we are sovereign Scots?
The Kingdom of Scotland is already sovereign,it has to 'end the union' with the other sovereign part of the AOU,the Kingdom of England(not the British,Kingdom of Great Britain).
The two sovereign Kingdom's created another sovereign Kingdom,Great Britain,but that Kingdom is for a landmass(Scotland,England and Wales),not a sovereign country. A landmass that contains the two sovereign Kingdom's(and Wales that is not in the Treaty of Union).
So how do you get sovereignty from the landmass,when the Kingdom's that created the Treaty of Union are forever sovereign,under a joint sovereign crown,inside that landmass?
I think the SNP are stuck,they have no plan 'b'. It is just ask for Sec30,that cannot end the union anyway?
It will be difficult to exclude the Brits completely. But we truly must be clear from the outset that any interference from them is illicit. It makes no sense to formally accept their 'right' to interfere.
Peter .. your post is close to the nub... The Scottish Parliament should aggregate any powers it needs to itself. Some Scots are terrified of the reaction of England s Westminster.... But their reaction is necessary for our sovereignty. If it's like the Spanish reaction to Catalonias demands then all the people of Scotland will know we are simply a colony of England and not just as few enlightened ones. The reaction would be the talk of the pub and playground, once that happens our freedom is inevitable.
You are quite right to insist on eliminating Westminster from our thinking and strategy. My big worry if we are forced into a Westminster organised referendum is that it's a double age sword... What if they decide that.. a failure to reach a majority
Reach a majority constitutes a new treaty of union? With that union being indivisible and thus traps future generations of Scot's into the union.
I'm not sure I agree with you on a sovereign referendum via the Scottish Parliament... For me the democratic route of elected members deciding on UDI is all that's needed... What's the point of a referendum? If you liked a party who stated him the separation that should be sufficient. It's probably the normal in any other colony that has achieved its independence from a colonial power.
Kingdom of Scotland-Scottish citizens
Kingdom of England-English citizens
Kingdom of Scotland-Scottish sovereign law
Kingdom of England-English sovereign law
Border between the two legal systems and crowns(to present day,and forever kept in the text of AOU)
These two Kingdom's,and their sovereign law passed the AOU into their respective sovereign Kingdom's law and crowns,through two separate parliaments,1707.
Scotland Jan 1707
England March 1707
Scottish parliament then passes 'act' to destroy Scottish parliament under the Scottish crown.
The AOU,and then the Scottish act of parliament to destroy the Scottish parliament given royal assent by the separate crowns,joint monarch,Union of Crowns 1603.
If the Scottish parliament destroyed itself in 1707,where is the English parliament?
It still exists in law,but not in reality,as there are no English citizens to be elected to it.
This is why only Scotland of the two Kingdom's can do devolution. The English parliament has to exist in law,as England has parliamentary sovereignty. It is illegal to close down the English parliament.
The AOU just created a new parliament,so now British citizens in Scotland can elected to the Great Britain parliament from Scottish territory(different law),from the Great Britain landmass,which contains England,Scotland and Wales.
Basically,the AOU dissolves the border that exists forever legally(Kept in the text of the AOU),politically. So Scottish people as British citizens can be elected to a parliament outside Scottish sovereign law,and border.
Kingdom of Great Britain-British citizens
Kingdom of Great Britain-No legal system(police,criminal courts),just statute through the GB parliament for British citizens in the 'landmass' of Great Britain.
Meaning,you cannot use anything 'British' against the sovereignty of the Scottish and English Kingdom's,like the AOU or Union of Crowns.
It is a waste of time trying.
Could it be that Mr Crocket, and many other indoctrinated Scots, find great difficulty in accepting the fact that Westminster's alleged constitutional authority is in essence an elaborate and baseless hoax; a con-trick inculcated down-the-years by the narrative(s) of our highly secretive Scottish ruling-class, which projects its power and influence through our institutions, of which they influence thus control at crucial levels alongside various Westminster appointees?
Aye!
You've explained this in so many ways Peter and still the Scots don't get it..especially the SG.
What's that saying..if you do the same thing over and over again with the same outcome it shows madness..something like that..so are the Scots mad? Are we about to repeat the usual insanity...win a 'referendum' and then crawl to the cesspit ..who have absolutely nothing to do with our freedom..(because it's up to the Scottish people who are SOVEREIGN)....and yet....by ASKING /BEGGING to hold a referendum we acknowledge the ABSOLUTE CONTROL of the foreign english government over our freedom and lives...
This then allows the foreign english to feel empowered by our cringy request to make decisions for us..and in some cases not even tell us the outcome.(use of Scottish bases for american warplanes..SG not informed.)
What would we say if an Iranian missile hit Faslane....That particular target placed firmly on our backs by the foreign english.....do we have to go that far to finally see how our nation is abused, ignored and possibly destroyed...and we encourage it..
And so many foreign english ...white trash incomers that we have no control over......pretendy 'scottish ' political groups..hidden foreign investors..... dumped immigrants...foreign landowners...undercover hostiles ( Met Police).....malicious foreign english media....and our own homegrown quislings....all involved in decisions that affect our country....and the Scots go blithely along believing a X on a piece of paper will grant them independence....Keep taking the pills Scotland.
For OUR Scotland and her daft weans.
The SG *do* get it. They just don't want to do anything about it!
It continues to astonish me how many supposed pro-Independence proponents state that the Scottish people are sovereign in their own land whilst simultaneously stating that Westminster sanction and agreement must be obtained in order for the return to nation-state status for Scotland to be legitimate and 'legal'.
There could not be a greater contradiction in terms.
There must be no British involvement in, interference with, or influence over, the process to enact Scotland's right of self-determination.
Is is a con,both from our side,and the unionists.
Our side pretends we can get sovereignty(Independence)
Then say,we are sovereign Scots?
The Kingdom of Scotland is already sovereign,it has to 'end the union' with the other sovereign part of the AOU,the Kingdom of England(not the British,Kingdom of Great Britain).
The two sovereign Kingdom's created another sovereign Kingdom,Great Britain,but that Kingdom is for a landmass(Scotland,England and Wales),not a sovereign country. A landmass that contains the two sovereign Kingdom's(and Wales that is not in the Treaty of Union).
So how do you get sovereignty from the landmass,when the Kingdom's that created the Treaty of Union are forever sovereign,under a joint sovereign crown,inside that landmass?
I think the SNP are stuck,they have no plan 'b'. It is just ask for Sec30,that cannot end the union anyway?
It will be difficult to exclude the Brits completely. But we truly must be clear from the outset that any interference from them is illicit. It makes no sense to formally accept their 'right' to interfere.
Yes we cannot prevent attempted covert undermining but there must be no formal role for the British state in our constitutional choice.