Neil, welcome to the real world, you say "A march and rally with Leslie Riddoch and Brian Cox as keynote speakers would be a game changer" for whom?
You need to stop following the preaching of people who have no interest in Independence and get with the real world, this is serious. Scotland is literally about to have its constitutional existence erased via the English “UK Written constitution”.
Brian Cox wants a federal state, Leslie Riddoch only wants to talk about the Nordic Country's, she's a bore, for me I've had an enough of listening, its action we want and I certainly don't want what Cox is offering and I'm not bothered about the Nordic Country's when its Scotland that's in trouble.
I can understand marching if there is something to march towards. Believe In Scotland which I do but it’s only a slogan after all but to some like me it means far more than a slogan.
Lets say the SNP is your neighbour and they chap on your door and say to you your house is on fire you better leave or risk your life and you walk out and your neighbour walks in and shouts through the letter box thanks for given me your house, well you’d never put up with it and you’d call the police and you’d expect the police to act.
It amazing me how the SNP seems to be immune from any sort police investigation, the Murrel affair has to have any sain person thinking what on earth would an Independent Scotland look like with these people in charge.
People say you have to look back in order to go forward, so why aren’t all of us doing it. I was thinking about the day Salmond said he was going to stand down and the reason he did it. Now I believed he stood down for someone else to continue the drive towards Independence. So maybe someone could tell me why none of us weren’t questioning the Nicola Sturgeon grand tour when it wasn’t about Independence it was entirely about Nicola Sturgeon the grand tour she continued until she was forced out of office.
You have no idea what is wrong with you until you go to the doctors and they investigate and come back and say there is something wrong. Now we know what is wrong Peter has listed it above, the cancer in the movement isn’t just the SNP it’s the so called I want Independence but I object to it being achieved unless Westminster is involved, WHY?
If England was seeking to leave this union make to mistake Scotland, Wales and NI wouldn’t be involved.
You read the comments on the national and in some cases try person is trying to educate and is confronted with proverb "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil," when it comes to the SNP.
The stinking corpse lying in the road blocking our route to Independence is the SNP and its so called see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, until we stop listening to these people we going to gradually move at the pace we have been moving since the grant tour.
I thought wrongly with the removal of Sturgeon the SNP membership would take control how wrong was I in fact nothing has change other than we have a new unionist in charge leading the charge to nowhere.
I can’t see how Scotland can leave before 2040 unless we can get rid of the SNP and STOP listening to these so called YES I want Independence but if it never happens I’m fine with that people.
The parts of your above post in bold deserve a Luther @ Wittenberg moment, P. But rather than a church door, your text should be pinned to the door of Bute House and adorning the walls of what has become an insipid, self-limiting, petty point-scoring Echo Chamber pretending to be the Scottish Parliament.
You, like what seems the majority of free-thinking genuine believers in and fighters for the restoration of our stolen & sold status as a fully autonomous Independent Nation, have already excommunicated yourself from the SNP, so nothing to be concerned about from that quarter: what about the remaining dispensers of Indulgences, Nostrums & Promises of Glory in the Hereafter - only on the condition of complete unquestioning obedience to John's Papal Bullshit, of course? Can any spirit of renewal, reformation be expected from them?
Well, " never say never " n'aw that
Without stretching the Luther analogy too far......I imagine like the latter, who never himself abandoned his Catholic Priesthood, you too would both rather not have had to fulfil the necessary role of Iconoclastic Apostate and would prefer to be able to return to the church/party from which you once derived political and * spiritual * nourishment, but are unable to do so for the reasons delineated in your " Theses " above.
No offence, Neil, but if you're still at the stage of thinking marches and rallies " Guest Starring! " celebrity Independence supporters of pallid, " let's not be beastly to the Anglo-Huns " " No Boats Rocked Here " persuasion could be " game-changers ", you haven't REALLY been listening to New Thinkers like Peter, Alf, Sara S and others.
Don't get me wrong, the support of well-known people could be a useful adjunct to our cause, another weapon in our armoury - if only in gaining exposure/ piercing the Unionist MSM monopoly of information/perception - but in themselves, without the adoption of the rigorously fashioned and untiringly advanced strategic plan as disseminated by the aforementioned, marches and rallies are more-or-less useless: the fact of the ever-diminishing numbers attending those types of events speaks for itself
Lesley Riddoch and Brian Cox are both supporters of the Traitor Sturgeon and TBQH ANYONE who supports Sturgeon is an enemy of independence for Scotland and a collaborator with VILE WM , anyone who cannot see the wilful attempted determined destruction of the indy movement by the Traitor and her cabal of SCUM obviously shouldn't be anywhere near decision making for independence , the indy movement has always had various grifters and profiteers attached to the cause Kemp and swinney are only the latest version of corrupt liars , come independence I want retribution against these liars who BETRAYED Scotland and Scots
It is difficult to convey irony in a written comment , I have done it myself on occasion , unfortunately for REAL independence supporters there are still too many people who actually believe in what you wrote
We had such a march earlier this year, from Scotland's auld parliament at Parliament Square to Calton Hill. It was not "a game changer" and few expected it to be; Swinney promised something if he was re-elected but has delivered nothing, much as expected, and as reflected in the poor turnout on the march.
However, Brian Cox was memorable in his statement to the crowd: "FFS make this country free".
Cox therefore got closer than any other speaker to acknowledging our colonial reality and the fact us Scots are not free; and that independence means decolonisation, as Peter makes clear, and as Liberation Scotland is demonstrating in its submissions to the United Nations, albeit with no interest whatsoever from the daeless chancers sitting in the colonial assembly at Holyrood: https://liberation.scot/coms/SG-reponse-to-MSPs.html
The new-thinking will never readily penetrate the consciousness of those who profit by existing "safely"in the past with their old certainties as security-blankets. Their's is a tailor-made perspective that fully endorses a contented and conservative, pro England-as-Britain stasis, for everyone and forever more. That position is, of course, child-like and wholly unsustainable.
Your final paragraph is absolutely brilliant. I wish I had written it.
However my mental bent is more aimed at the actual freeing Scotland militarily if need ...( do we have an army?) from this pernicious prison that we find ourselves locked into. And that involves frightening the sh*t out of our foreign invaders ..still embedded in our land..sucking what they can get for free from us. When you have a tic dug into your skin ..you don't chat to it or request it please go away..you dig the b*st*rd oot and dispose of it before it poisons your system, culture or land..and eventually kills you.
The uk government is a malignant, poisonous evil tic and will eventually destroy us..if we don't waken up....
The 'chains of Devolution ' you mentioned...I would describe as the 'strait jacket of Devolution ' because no-one in their right mind would allow an enemy to take charge of their security..energy...anything of importance to their country...but we do... we are brainwashed..lied to... insulted....cheated by the foreign english rules of engagement..ie 'you do as we say. turds..but we'll let you put a tax on plastic bags...you pathetic cringing Jocks...'
The foreign hostile english always good at looking civilized while behind the scenes use all manners of devious malicious means to stay in control.
Meantime a Scottish soldier in highland dress stands outside Balmoral.. supposedly 'guarding' the pantomime who are having another holiday...poor soul..he looked so comical standing there in his wee kilt protecting our foreign english INVADERS....says it all....
That's an excellent list of hard and home truths for mainstream 'pro-Independence' leaders, influencers, bloggers, journalists and columnists who seem still to be living as if they intend to be forever dreaming of being in the early days of a re-born nation.
If I may be so bold as to add to / augment your roll-call:
Any formal British state involvement in, interference with, or influence over, Scotland’s self-determination process will make it impossible to restore Scotland’s full self-government.
Any proposal outlining a path to the return of Scotland’s independent statehood must be endorsed by the people of Scotland in a national referendum otherwise it will not be accepted by the population.
Any reformed constitutional arrangements that leaves Scotland under British/London/Westminster rule will make it impossible to restore Scotland’s full self-government.
Neil, welcome to the real world, you say "A march and rally with Leslie Riddoch and Brian Cox as keynote speakers would be a game changer" for whom?
You need to stop following the preaching of people who have no interest in Independence and get with the real world, this is serious. Scotland is literally about to have its constitutional existence erased via the English “UK Written constitution”.
Brian Cox wants a federal state, Leslie Riddoch only wants to talk about the Nordic Country's, she's a bore, for me I've had an enough of listening, its action we want and I certainly don't want what Cox is offering and I'm not bothered about the Nordic Country's when its Scotland that's in trouble.
I can understand marching if there is something to march towards. Believe In Scotland which I do but it’s only a slogan after all but to some like me it means far more than a slogan.
Lets say the SNP is your neighbour and they chap on your door and say to you your house is on fire you better leave or risk your life and you walk out and your neighbour walks in and shouts through the letter box thanks for given me your house, well you’d never put up with it and you’d call the police and you’d expect the police to act.
It amazing me how the SNP seems to be immune from any sort police investigation, the Murrel affair has to have any sain person thinking what on earth would an Independent Scotland look like with these people in charge.
People say you have to look back in order to go forward, so why aren’t all of us doing it. I was thinking about the day Salmond said he was going to stand down and the reason he did it. Now I believed he stood down for someone else to continue the drive towards Independence. So maybe someone could tell me why none of us weren’t questioning the Nicola Sturgeon grand tour when it wasn’t about Independence it was entirely about Nicola Sturgeon the grand tour she continued until she was forced out of office.
You have no idea what is wrong with you until you go to the doctors and they investigate and come back and say there is something wrong. Now we know what is wrong Peter has listed it above, the cancer in the movement isn’t just the SNP it’s the so called I want Independence but I object to it being achieved unless Westminster is involved, WHY?
If England was seeking to leave this union make to mistake Scotland, Wales and NI wouldn’t be involved.
You read the comments on the national and in some cases try person is trying to educate and is confronted with proverb "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil," when it comes to the SNP.
The stinking corpse lying in the road blocking our route to Independence is the SNP and its so called see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, until we stop listening to these people we going to gradually move at the pace we have been moving since the grant tour.
I thought wrongly with the removal of Sturgeon the SNP membership would take control how wrong was I in fact nothing has change other than we have a new unionist in charge leading the charge to nowhere.
I can’t see how Scotland can leave before 2040 unless we can get rid of the SNP and STOP listening to these so called YES I want Independence but if it never happens I’m fine with that people.
The parts of your above post in bold deserve a Luther @ Wittenberg moment, P. But rather than a church door, your text should be pinned to the door of Bute House and adorning the walls of what has become an insipid, self-limiting, petty point-scoring Echo Chamber pretending to be the Scottish Parliament.
You, like what seems the majority of free-thinking genuine believers in and fighters for the restoration of our stolen & sold status as a fully autonomous Independent Nation, have already excommunicated yourself from the SNP, so nothing to be concerned about from that quarter: what about the remaining dispensers of Indulgences, Nostrums & Promises of Glory in the Hereafter - only on the condition of complete unquestioning obedience to John's Papal Bullshit, of course? Can any spirit of renewal, reformation be expected from them?
Well, " never say never " n'aw that
Without stretching the Luther analogy too far......I imagine like the latter, who never himself abandoned his Catholic Priesthood, you too would both rather not have had to fulfil the necessary role of Iconoclastic Apostate and would prefer to be able to return to the church/party from which you once derived political and * spiritual * nourishment, but are unable to do so for the reasons delineated in your " Theses " above.
I think you’re being a touch uncharitable Peter. A march and rally with Leslie Riddoch and Brian Cox as keynote speakers would be a game changer.
No offence, Neil, but if you're still at the stage of thinking marches and rallies " Guest Starring! " celebrity Independence supporters of pallid, " let's not be beastly to the Anglo-Huns " " No Boats Rocked Here " persuasion could be " game-changers ", you haven't REALLY been listening to New Thinkers like Peter, Alf, Sara S and others.
Don't get me wrong, the support of well-known people could be a useful adjunct to our cause, another weapon in our armoury - if only in gaining exposure/ piercing the Unionist MSM monopoly of information/perception - but in themselves, without the adoption of the rigorously fashioned and untiringly advanced strategic plan as disseminated by the aforementioned, marches and rallies are more-or-less useless: the fact of the ever-diminishing numbers attending those types of events speaks for itself
I was being ironic Robert
Ah! sorry, Neil, didn't get yr irony there
Lesley Riddoch and Brian Cox are both supporters of the Traitor Sturgeon and TBQH ANYONE who supports Sturgeon is an enemy of independence for Scotland and a collaborator with VILE WM , anyone who cannot see the wilful attempted determined destruction of the indy movement by the Traitor and her cabal of SCUM obviously shouldn't be anywhere near decision making for independence , the indy movement has always had various grifters and profiteers attached to the cause Kemp and swinney are only the latest version of corrupt liars , come independence I want retribution against these liars who BETRAYED Scotland and Scots
I was being ironic
It is difficult to convey irony in a written comment , I have done it myself on occasion , unfortunately for REAL independence supporters there are still too many people who actually believe in what you wrote
The SNP loyalists are beyond parody.
We had such a march earlier this year, from Scotland's auld parliament at Parliament Square to Calton Hill. It was not "a game changer" and few expected it to be; Swinney promised something if he was re-elected but has delivered nothing, much as expected, and as reflected in the poor turnout on the march.
However, Brian Cox was memorable in his statement to the crowd: "FFS make this country free".
Cox therefore got closer than any other speaker to acknowledging our colonial reality and the fact us Scots are not free; and that independence means decolonisation, as Peter makes clear, and as Liberation Scotland is demonstrating in its submissions to the United Nations, albeit with no interest whatsoever from the daeless chancers sitting in the colonial assembly at Holyrood: https://liberation.scot/coms/SG-reponse-to-MSPs.html
The new-thinking will never readily penetrate the consciousness of those who profit by existing "safely"in the past with their old certainties as security-blankets. Their's is a tailor-made perspective that fully endorses a contented and conservative, pro England-as-Britain stasis, for everyone and forever more. That position is, of course, child-like and wholly unsustainable.
Your final paragraph is absolutely brilliant. I wish I had written it.
However my mental bent is more aimed at the actual freeing Scotland militarily if need ...( do we have an army?) from this pernicious prison that we find ourselves locked into. And that involves frightening the sh*t out of our foreign invaders ..still embedded in our land..sucking what they can get for free from us. When you have a tic dug into your skin ..you don't chat to it or request it please go away..you dig the b*st*rd oot and dispose of it before it poisons your system, culture or land..and eventually kills you.
The uk government is a malignant, poisonous evil tic and will eventually destroy us..if we don't waken up....
The 'chains of Devolution ' you mentioned...I would describe as the 'strait jacket of Devolution ' because no-one in their right mind would allow an enemy to take charge of their security..energy...anything of importance to their country...but we do... we are brainwashed..lied to... insulted....cheated by the foreign english rules of engagement..ie 'you do as we say. turds..but we'll let you put a tax on plastic bags...you pathetic cringing Jocks...'
The foreign hostile english always good at looking civilized while behind the scenes use all manners of devious malicious means to stay in control.
Meantime a Scottish soldier in highland dress stands outside Balmoral.. supposedly 'guarding' the pantomime who are having another holiday...poor soul..he looked so comical standing there in his wee kilt protecting our foreign english INVADERS....says it all....
For OUR Scotland and her clueless weans.
That's an excellent list of hard and home truths for mainstream 'pro-Independence' leaders, influencers, bloggers, journalists and columnists who seem still to be living as if they intend to be forever dreaming of being in the early days of a re-born nation.
If I may be so bold as to add to / augment your roll-call:
Any formal British state involvement in, interference with, or influence over, Scotland’s self-determination process will make it impossible to restore Scotland’s full self-government.
Any proposal outlining a path to the return of Scotland’s independent statehood must be endorsed by the people of Scotland in a national referendum otherwise it will not be accepted by the population.
Any reformed constitutional arrangements that leaves Scotland under British/London/Westminster rule will make it impossible to restore Scotland’s full self-government.