I would be in total agreement with Old John (We deserve to know what Stephen Flynn means about the next election) were it not for his silly, simplistic notion that the constitutional issue might be satisfactorily resolved by an election that some people want to pretend is a proper constitutional referendum.
I recently attended the bbc QT session in Dumfries.... and I wasn't impressed by slick willy Mr S Flynn.... yes he had all the answers .... all the scoring bullet points... and he reeled these off like someone quoting their favourite bits of Burns poems... applause to follow...
But being suspicious of the Green parties attentions towards the North Sea whilst ignoring the plumes of toxic chemical's from Russia/Iran and the non stop proposed Heathrow expansion... I was more impressed by the Green party leader... Ross Greer... whose answers were not delivered as recognisable sound bite points... so confirmation for me that the SNP 1 & 2 is not going to happen once you witness slick willies performance...
ps Flynn is a fckn knobhead who comes across like he's single-handedly developed a cure for cancer, but, in reality has done the sum total of fuck all. Another total waste of space/time as far as Independence is concerned
" plumes of smoke from Russia/iran, lol, what about the " plumes of smoke from US/Israeli unprovoked aggression AGAINST Iran, ditto the demented provocations by " NATO " the instigated the Proxy War in Ukraine? The single biggest polluter on the planet is the U.S Military. Fact
Hhmm... you seem to have missed my point... in that what are the Scottish Greens going to do about the plumes etc?.... and like your really strong feelings on the American military .... given the 20 seconds of demockracy we are given .... but where we can become dedicated digital warriors...... the answer is F.A.
Apologies, my mistake, too quick to comment. Just kinda drowning in the mass-mind control Russophobic Pro-War propaganda pouring out of every Political Caste/MSM arsehole. Truly repulsive, and then you see fucking Brit State crawling sycophants like Swinney actually participating in the " moronic inferno " and the nausea just intensifies
On principle, and if truly believe in popular sovereignty, then it is the votes garnered that matters, especially when it comes to such a momentous decision as choosing the form of government best suited to our needs.
In practical terms the only occasion in UK election history when the political parties purporting to support Scottish full self-government obtained over half the vote was in the 'Tsunami' of 2015 . Even then they managed to scrape just over 51% of the vote whilst winning 95% of the seats (thanks to the skewed First Past The Post system of allocating parliamentary representation in the UK).
Sturgeon said in advance of the count that the 2015 election 'wasn't about Independence' or some equivalent. Had she said it had been a statement in support of Independence by the Scottish people there would have been disputes as to her claim.
If Independence had been declared on this basis half the country would have been up in arms and, at a minimum, we would have been mired in legalities endlessly.
Just saying that an election is about this or that doesn't automatically make it so.
We need a proper democratic and transparent process on the single issue of Independence that delivers an unequivocal outcome.
I find it fascinating that Scotland's freedom has so many obstacles...obscure legal terms ..% of voters required..begging our freedom from our worst enemy....jumping thro this hoop or over that hurdle..ad infintum... meaning at the end of the day we are STILL not able to access freedom like all nations on the planet..why is that I wonder?..
Ignore the crap we are told by home grown traitors.. criminal foreign english terrified that they will lose their favourite and only cashcow...hidden foreign entities who rely on Scotland for huge hidden land investments and worst of all ..a nation subdued by 300 years of theft...mental abuse by a malevolent foreign english media and ongoing cultural erasure. (turds that won't flush away)..plus the non stop invasion of foreign english using OUR country like a retirement home...and the b*st*rds get to vote on our freedom! We must TAKE our freedom or perish.
If I had my way there would be the threat of blood on the streets as we remove the infection that permeates our land...our very soul. .. Our cousins the Irish stood no nonsense... and look no colonising parasitic foreign english in their land. I salute them...a nation again.
I refuse to discuss the ins and outs of legal crap set up to blank our hopes ....oh you must have 49 and three quarters of voters and then you must have proof that the Scots actually want their independence..hold it! you must wait for a generation before you can vote again.....and is there a red moon in the sky?..we follow a will o' the wisp that leads nowhere.....howabout jimmy I just kill you if you don't agree to get out of our land you vicious little foreign invader? How's that grab you....We don't need de facto sh*te..just an implement in our hands to reinforce our right to own OUR land..
We are Scotland... a nation that needs to stand up FINALLY and trash those who attempt to keep us in this unsurvivable prison we call Scotland..(or northern britain )
Hands up Scots ..all those who are fed up with this great big scam and want action.
There is no need for the "threat of blood on the streets". More aggression from our political leaders would suffice. More forcefulness and assertiveness.
This is a problem arising from the levels of support for independence ie at around 50% in recent polls. This makes a plebiscitary vote a somewhat risky policy for the subsequent reasons you state.
Obvious answer is to get poll levels up to 60% or thereabouts! However previous SNP leaders such as Gordon Wilson were saying that after the first indyref. Wings has also frequently highlighted Sturgeon's dismal failure to move the dial on indy support during her tenure - it flatlined at 45% mostly. (Now she's off to London to film British propaganda!)
Your stated strategy is more a long term approach. One wonders if we'll see indy in our lifetimes sadly. (I'm 63). But there's no harm in people talking tactics and strategy; something may turn up. Maybe 'Events dear boy' :-)
It is no doubt helpful if support for Scotland's Cause is high.
But really, garnering support for your cause is what campaigns are for. That is when arguments are made and, most importantly, listened to by voters. (Hypothetical questions don't necessarily get treated seriously ... at such times, for example, like now when there is no immediate prospect of people having the opportunity to make a decision on self-government). Support is built during the campaign period if your arguments are strong enough and people are engaged.
We should beware of setting any threshold in 'opinion polls/surveys' as a precondition for any kind of electoral test.
My "stated strategy" is not a "long term approach". It is only dragged out because we lack leaders with the courage and tenacity to implement that strategy.
Had the #ScottishUDI strategy been implemented in the 2026 Scottish Parliament election, Scotland would now be effectively independent, subject only to a confirmatory referendum on a known date.
As a recent petitioner to the UN Decolonization Committee C-24 declared:
“elections cannot substitute for decolonisation while the foundational political wound remains open”
https://www.oikoumene.org/news/pacific-church-leaders-call-on-un-to-end-colonialism-in-new-caledonia
'foundational political wound' is obviously another way of describing what some still call a 'union'.
I recently attended the bbc QT session in Dumfries.... and I wasn't impressed by slick willy Mr S Flynn.... yes he had all the answers .... all the scoring bullet points... and he reeled these off like someone quoting their favourite bits of Burns poems... applause to follow...
But being suspicious of the Green parties attentions towards the North Sea whilst ignoring the plumes of toxic chemical's from Russia/Iran and the non stop proposed Heathrow expansion... I was more impressed by the Green party leader... Ross Greer... whose answers were not delivered as recognisable sound bite points... so confirmation for me that the SNP 1 & 2 is not going to happen once you witness slick willies performance...
ps Flynn is a fckn knobhead who comes across like he's single-handedly developed a cure for cancer, but, in reality has done the sum total of fuck all. Another total waste of space/time as far as Independence is concerned
" plumes of smoke from Russia/iran, lol, what about the " plumes of smoke from US/Israeli unprovoked aggression AGAINST Iran, ditto the demented provocations by " NATO " the instigated the Proxy War in Ukraine? The single biggest polluter on the planet is the U.S Military. Fact
Hhmm... you seem to have missed my point... in that what are the Scottish Greens going to do about the plumes etc?.... and like your really strong feelings on the American military .... given the 20 seconds of demockracy we are given .... but where we can become dedicated digital warriors...... the answer is F.A.
Apologies, my mistake, too quick to comment. Just kinda drowning in the mass-mind control Russophobic Pro-War propaganda pouring out of every Political Caste/MSM arsehole. Truly repulsive, and then you see fucking Brit State crawling sycophants like Swinney actually participating in the " moronic inferno " and the nausea just intensifies
On principle, and if truly believe in popular sovereignty, then it is the votes garnered that matters, especially when it comes to such a momentous decision as choosing the form of government best suited to our needs.
In practical terms the only occasion in UK election history when the political parties purporting to support Scottish full self-government obtained over half the vote was in the 'Tsunami' of 2015 . Even then they managed to scrape just over 51% of the vote whilst winning 95% of the seats (thanks to the skewed First Past The Post system of allocating parliamentary representation in the UK).
Sturgeon said in advance of the count that the 2015 election 'wasn't about Independence' or some equivalent. Had she said it had been a statement in support of Independence by the Scottish people there would have been disputes as to her claim.
If Independence had been declared on this basis half the country would have been up in arms and, at a minimum, we would have been mired in legalities endlessly.
Just saying that an election is about this or that doesn't automatically make it so.
We need a proper democratic and transparent process on the single issue of Independence that delivers an unequivocal outcome.
I find it fascinating that Scotland's freedom has so many obstacles...obscure legal terms ..% of voters required..begging our freedom from our worst enemy....jumping thro this hoop or over that hurdle..ad infintum... meaning at the end of the day we are STILL not able to access freedom like all nations on the planet..why is that I wonder?..
Ignore the crap we are told by home grown traitors.. criminal foreign english terrified that they will lose their favourite and only cashcow...hidden foreign entities who rely on Scotland for huge hidden land investments and worst of all ..a nation subdued by 300 years of theft...mental abuse by a malevolent foreign english media and ongoing cultural erasure. (turds that won't flush away)..plus the non stop invasion of foreign english using OUR country like a retirement home...and the b*st*rds get to vote on our freedom! We must TAKE our freedom or perish.
If I had my way there would be the threat of blood on the streets as we remove the infection that permeates our land...our very soul. .. Our cousins the Irish stood no nonsense... and look no colonising parasitic foreign english in their land. I salute them...a nation again.
I refuse to discuss the ins and outs of legal crap set up to blank our hopes ....oh you must have 49 and three quarters of voters and then you must have proof that the Scots actually want their independence..hold it! you must wait for a generation before you can vote again.....and is there a red moon in the sky?..we follow a will o' the wisp that leads nowhere.....howabout jimmy I just kill you if you don't agree to get out of our land you vicious little foreign invader? How's that grab you....We don't need de facto sh*te..just an implement in our hands to reinforce our right to own OUR land..
We are Scotland... a nation that needs to stand up FINALLY and trash those who attempt to keep us in this unsurvivable prison we call Scotland..(or northern britain )
Hands up Scots ..all those who are fed up with this great big scam and want action.
For OUR Scotland and her cheated weans.
There is no need for the "threat of blood on the streets". More aggression from our political leaders would suffice. More forcefulness and assertiveness.
This is a problem arising from the levels of support for independence ie at around 50% in recent polls. This makes a plebiscitary vote a somewhat risky policy for the subsequent reasons you state.
Obvious answer is to get poll levels up to 60% or thereabouts! However previous SNP leaders such as Gordon Wilson were saying that after the first indyref. Wings has also frequently highlighted Sturgeon's dismal failure to move the dial on indy support during her tenure - it flatlined at 45% mostly. (Now she's off to London to film British propaganda!)
Your stated strategy is more a long term approach. One wonders if we'll see indy in our lifetimes sadly. (I'm 63). But there's no harm in people talking tactics and strategy; something may turn up. Maybe 'Events dear boy' :-)
It is no doubt helpful if support for Scotland's Cause is high.
But really, garnering support for your cause is what campaigns are for. That is when arguments are made and, most importantly, listened to by voters. (Hypothetical questions don't necessarily get treated seriously ... at such times, for example, like now when there is no immediate prospect of people having the opportunity to make a decision on self-government). Support is built during the campaign period if your arguments are strong enough and people are engaged.
We should beware of setting any threshold in 'opinion polls/surveys' as a precondition for any kind of electoral test.
David said
"something may turn up. Maybe 'Events dear boy"
Unfortunately the Westminster Regime is the one who is steering events, not the Scottish Executive.
Whatever 'event' that time brings along is far more likely to continue the pattern of diminishing Scotlands role.
Indeed the renewed talk of Devolution and Federalism from the new new Labour Unionist and neoliberal party should be a worry not a hope.
:-(
We do not have time to fritter away.
We must get moving before we are held fast forever.
My "stated strategy" is not a "long term approach". It is only dragged out because we lack leaders with the courage and tenacity to implement that strategy.
Had the #ScottishUDI strategy been implemented in the 2026 Scottish Parliament election, Scotland would now be effectively independent, subject only to a confirmatory referendum on a known date.