All that was missing from that sheepdog trial masquerading as a * Conference * ( who knew Brit State poodles had this rounding-up ability? ) was the hoisting of white flags and the playing of Rule Britannia; such was the abject surrender to * British * - ie English, Supremacy manifested: cooked-up by the Nothing Burger Kings of the snP for-hire-Archie; served-up by their well-fed Media Courtiers, ie The Notional, Lesley Riddochulous et al and avidly gobbled-up by the easily-satisfied consumers of junk food Membership.
That farce was the absolute nadir of the snP as a credible Independence vehicle. Actually, maybe not the " absolute " nadir: I reckon they have further to fall and although they can't give up their electoral USP ( only SP ) of association with Scottish Independence, it will be no surprise if they continue to bury the possibilty of Independence even deeper, along with every other principle they once stood for and tie our country even more cravenly to Brit State * interests *, eg with collusion in the demented Russophobic Anglo warmongering & plundering of our natural resources.
Truly a Zombie Party, that may stagger on for a few more years before collapsing from the effect of it's own degenerative muscle-loss, infection by * foreign bodies * & * Progressive * moral/spiritual dementia
Alba aren't going to get seats, the only one apart from the SNP is Green, and if they're needed for a pro-indy majority first of all they'll want their latest "beat the UK punish the aspiring gender deposit scheme" to be implemented plus 4 ministers with 2 in cabinet and might get around to Independence in oooh, 2030s. So it needs to be an overall SNP majority, whatever is the HOW to get Indy. It's also going to need an SNP Presiding Officer so though 65 is a majority, 66 is better. NO OTHER PARTY CAN DO IT.
Secondly Amendment A was a Ref on the List and using the List is useless. Amendment B was pro-indy votes over 50% and is also useless. Sinn Fein in 1918 won a majority of the seats with just 46.8% of the votes and Independence followed after a time. Amendment C was EU and D was absolute zero but waffle. If A and / or B had been amended themselves they might have been useful, but since not, all that was left was the resolution - or nothing. Nil, nihil, nichts and SFA. Not even the meaningless waffle in 2024 "give democratic effect" gargle blasting wimpery.
I'd have liked to see the resolution with less meekness, toughened up, stronger. But on the basis it's about self-determination - and actually having self-determination in May 2026 will lead to Independence, it will be the HOW of Independence, it'll do for me meantime.
It's now up to the SNP to actually leaflet with Independence all over them, every candidate to spend 50% of their waffle time on Independence, Swinney to go on the ether with Independence writ large on his T-shirt and emblazoned on his megaphone, and perhaps they can get the overall majority and actually implement self-determination IMMEDIATELY. 520,000 missing SNP voters need to be convinced - and there are a lot who support Scotland's Right to Decide who can be brought with them.
Make it so John lad or you don't get either of my votes. Good night.
Self-determination complements the UN initiative very nicely by the way. Almost deliberately.
You really don't get it, do you. Just because "NO OTHER PARTY CAN DO IT" does not mean the SNP will. THEY WON'T! They're telling you that they won't! Their conference just rubber-stamped Swinney's 'strategy' - which has absolutely fuck all to do with restoring independence!
Of course the SNP will "leaflet with Independence all over them"! That's how they operate. But the fact that they print the word on tens of thousands of leaflet doesn't mean they actually intend to restore Scotland's independence. THEY DON'T! They've told you they don't!
Of course their candidates will talk about independence all the time. If that's what they are told to do, they'll do it. But it's all just talk to lure voters. The SNP is not going to "get the overall majority" and even if the did they are not going to "actually implement self-determination". They have told you this! Listen to them!
Why don't you try reading what's there, rather than what's in your furtive imagination?
And no, it's not "Of course the SNP will "leaflet with Independence all over them"", nor is it "Of course their candidates will talk about independence all the time.".
They didn't for the 2024 General Election as you might have noticed if you PAID ATTENTION. It's why 520,000 SNP voters stayed away and didn't vote.
You need to visit Specsavers, and stop spouting farmyard manure all over the place.
Anyways, I only started posting here in the hope someone in the SNP did some research and passed it on to Swinney. Or SNP members looking in for a voice of sanity. Perhaps they did. It's done now, and the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Lastly, the HOW of Independence is the exercise of self-determination. Think Ahead!
The 2024 election was an exception. Some would say the 2017 election was another. The operative word hear if 'exception'. You seem to 'think' that because they didn't once or twice this must mean they didn't ever.
"Delegates roundly endorsed the treachery that their leader proposes - calling it a ‘strategy’."
The first thing I'd say is that 'strategy' has got its work cut out there.
Swinney's response to Graeme McCormick's question about 'what happens when they say no' is "nobody knows the tactics I’ll deploy".
That's a sort of 'trust me, I'm honest but crafty John with a very cunning and, most importantly, secret plan'.
With regards to the residual SNP membership the term 'dumb beast' that you, Peter, often use with respect to the electorate in aggregate could apply even more pertinently to those in the conference hall in Aberdeen that endorsed.
They are supposed to be nationalist 'anoraks'. They are supposed to be 'switched on'. They are supposed to support Scotland's Cause to the exclusion of all else. They are supposed, above all, to back Scotland's popular sovereignty over England's parliamentary sovereignty.
It turns out that the membership dumb beast is a nodding donkey.
Excellent summary of this sad yet rather predictable outcome, Peter. The co-opted National Party colonial payroll continue its deceit, much in line with postcolonial theory and evidence. But the people are moving, on a range of liberation initiatives, yourself at the forefront of political thought on the matter.
For my own part the ongoing Liberation Scotland/Salvo petitioning of the United Nations Committees on Decolonization last week in New York has brought our right to self-determination and denial of this right much greater international attention. And our visits to many Permanent Missions of UN Member States has further expanded their knowledge and understanding of our case.
It is also evident that had the SNP leadership any real interest in independence they would have already long since created a (provisional at least) Scotland Permanent Mission at the UN in readiness for independence, which is defined as decolonization, as well as UN Membership.
The UN initiative is helpful. What is lacking is the internal political and parliamentary process. The hope was that the SNP could be persuaded to fill that role. Yesterday's vote indicates that this is a forlorn hope.
The question therefore is where we find a party that will fill the role.
I disagree. As soon as we are listed as a colony HOLYROOD is of ZERO importance.
Its denizens just colonial administrators.
Liberation Scotland GAVE them all the chance to stand up for Scotland via the Stirling Directive. They couldn't do that as their english bosses told them to ignore it. All the vile "MSP" 'unionists' and the owned, USELESS SNP detractors.
Well, the chickens are heading home to roost.
My hope is that Salvo will work to form a new convention of the estates and hopefully setup a government in waiting. We have treaty and Scottish law and U.N. precedent on OUR side. So to hell with england.
STOP asking for and start TAKING our nation back.
Any by the way, the world HATES colonizers. england=USA=Israel.
We don't need permission or an english run electoral commission.
Whether you agree or not it is a fact that the UN initiative on its own - and assuming it is successful - DOES NOT obviate the need for an internal political and parliamentary process. The Scottish Parliament will still be the Scottish Parliament. The Scottish Government will still be the Scottish Government. None of that is altered by Scotland being added to the NSGT list.
What being on that list means is that the UK Government is prohibited from impeding or interfeing in an interna (to Scotland) decolonisation process. But that decolonisation process has to exist or the prohibition is meaningless.
I've hear all the talk of setting up new institutions to implement the decolonisation process. But such things do not happen as if by magic. It would take time and effort. And there would always be the problem of democratic legitimacy.
And none of it is necessary. We already have a parliament. It is the parliament which was taken from us in 1707. It was returned to us in 1999. But it was returned bearing the chains of devolution. All that's required is that we strike off those chains. Why make it more complicated than it needs to be?
Our first problem is ensuring that the 2026 election is used as the democratic event which initiates the internal process. The SNP is not going to do it. They've told us that they are not going to do it. So, what are we going to do about it?
Now we know for definite that the SNP are a British Nationalist Party and they have no place in Scotland having committed treason against the Scottish People who are Sovereign.
I agree with your comment Jennifer, in constantly taking the actions they have been taking since 2015 , avoiding and evading ANY move towards independence preferring to institute and force through regressive , deviant and perverted policies that the electorate have vehemently opposed they are showing the Brutish nationalist attitude of parliamentary sovereignty where the opinions of the electorate are ignored
I would not call the SNP a "British Nationalist Party". That's ridiculous. It implies they are actively pursuing the aims of British Nationalism. They are not.
The SNP is a failed nationalist party. A horribly failed nationalist party. It is certainly obstructing Scotland's cause. But it is not fighting for the Union. It is simply failing to fight for independence.
If the SNP was a British Nationalist Party we would not expect it to fight for the Union. It is the fact that it is 'the party of independence' which makes its behaviour so disgraceful.
"Decentralization and continuity could only be achieved if cooperation existed within the administrative chains, especially between the provincial staff and local rulers. The success of Lugard’s Indirect Rule policy — >>>administration through local chiefs>>>under the close supervision of British colonial officers <<<the scottish office>>>> — a system that he tested comprehensively in Nigeria, depended on cooperation. He also encouraged local heirs’ education in order to prevent the emergence of a separate educated class that might challenge the authority of accepted rulers"
I'm well aware of the nature of colonialism, thank you. And I'm aware that the British are well-versed in the 'art' of imperialism. I find it curious, however, that people who imagine we can set up a whole new set of democratic institutions think us incapable of taking control of the institutions we have.
Decolonisation does not mean the destruction of everything associated with colonisation. If it did, there wouldn't be much left of Scotland. All the countries that have been decolonised retained much of what was built under colonisation. The simply repurposed their parliament, courts etc.
We have even greater need to be pragmatic be, as I say, if we strip away everything created under more than three centuries of colonisation, there will be nothing left.
Mindset is important. Don't think of the Scottish Parliament as something England-as-Britain imported and imposed on us. Think of it as our parliament which the British have hijacked. If we think of the coloniser merely as an intruder, then we see only that the intruder must be removed. You wouldn't demolish your house just because it had been burgled.
This makes for a better campaign message, too. The message is that there is an intruder we must eject. The things taken by this intruder must be repossessed.
They aren't "Brits" in the sense of being active advocates for the Union as per your actual British Nationalist and Unionist parties like British Labour, British Liberals and British Conservatives.
They boast, then they cower. They beg for a piece of ... what's already ours.
They are much, much, worse - infinitely more so in fact -than a national embarrassment.
They have undermined Scottish popular sovereignty by taking a course of action that recognises that a foreign government has the power of veto over it.
In short they are now collaborators. And that makes them treacherous to Scotland and Scotland's people.
All that was missing from that sheepdog trial masquerading as a * Conference * ( who knew Brit State poodles had this rounding-up ability? ) was the hoisting of white flags and the playing of Rule Britannia; such was the abject surrender to * British * - ie English, Supremacy manifested: cooked-up by the Nothing Burger Kings of the snP for-hire-Archie; served-up by their well-fed Media Courtiers, ie The Notional, Lesley Riddochulous et al and avidly gobbled-up by the easily-satisfied consumers of junk food Membership.
That farce was the absolute nadir of the snP as a credible Independence vehicle. Actually, maybe not the " absolute " nadir: I reckon they have further to fall and although they can't give up their electoral USP ( only SP ) of association with Scottish Independence, it will be no surprise if they continue to bury the possibilty of Independence even deeper, along with every other principle they once stood for and tie our country even more cravenly to Brit State * interests *, eg with collusion in the demented Russophobic Anglo warmongering & plundering of our natural resources.
Truly a Zombie Party, that may stagger on for a few more years before collapsing from the effect of it's own degenerative muscle-loss, infection by * foreign bodies * & * Progressive * moral/spiritual dementia
D.N.R
I liked the D.N.R reference especially since the POISONED DWARF used it continuously during covid , they will be well versed on its effectiveness
I wrote this in 2015:
https://forscotland.com/new/SNP-Moderates-Playing-WM-Game-Killing-Independence.pdf
The SNP NEC are nothing but OWNED traitors and colonial administrators and the great majority of their supporters - COWARDS.
Begging for the right to have another rigged vote from the NON-STATE of the "UK".
Begging your English masters.
DISGUSTING.
Alba aren't going to get seats, the only one apart from the SNP is Green, and if they're needed for a pro-indy majority first of all they'll want their latest "beat the UK punish the aspiring gender deposit scheme" to be implemented plus 4 ministers with 2 in cabinet and might get around to Independence in oooh, 2030s. So it needs to be an overall SNP majority, whatever is the HOW to get Indy. It's also going to need an SNP Presiding Officer so though 65 is a majority, 66 is better. NO OTHER PARTY CAN DO IT.
Secondly Amendment A was a Ref on the List and using the List is useless. Amendment B was pro-indy votes over 50% and is also useless. Sinn Fein in 1918 won a majority of the seats with just 46.8% of the votes and Independence followed after a time. Amendment C was EU and D was absolute zero but waffle. If A and / or B had been amended themselves they might have been useful, but since not, all that was left was the resolution - or nothing. Nil, nihil, nichts and SFA. Not even the meaningless waffle in 2024 "give democratic effect" gargle blasting wimpery.
I'd have liked to see the resolution with less meekness, toughened up, stronger. But on the basis it's about self-determination - and actually having self-determination in May 2026 will lead to Independence, it will be the HOW of Independence, it'll do for me meantime.
It's now up to the SNP to actually leaflet with Independence all over them, every candidate to spend 50% of their waffle time on Independence, Swinney to go on the ether with Independence writ large on his T-shirt and emblazoned on his megaphone, and perhaps they can get the overall majority and actually implement self-determination IMMEDIATELY. 520,000 missing SNP voters need to be convinced - and there are a lot who support Scotland's Right to Decide who can be brought with them.
Make it so John lad or you don't get either of my votes. Good night.
Self-determination complements the UN initiative very nicely by the way. Almost deliberately.
You really don't get it, do you. Just because "NO OTHER PARTY CAN DO IT" does not mean the SNP will. THEY WON'T! They're telling you that they won't! Their conference just rubber-stamped Swinney's 'strategy' - which has absolutely fuck all to do with restoring independence!
Of course the SNP will "leaflet with Independence all over them"! That's how they operate. But the fact that they print the word on tens of thousands of leaflet doesn't mean they actually intend to restore Scotland's independence. THEY DON'T! They've told you they don't!
Of course their candidates will talk about independence all the time. If that's what they are told to do, they'll do it. But it's all just talk to lure voters. The SNP is not going to "get the overall majority" and even if the did they are not going to "actually implement self-determination". They have told you this! Listen to them!
Why don't you try reading what's there, rather than what's in your furtive imagination?
And no, it's not "Of course the SNP will "leaflet with Independence all over them"", nor is it "Of course their candidates will talk about independence all the time.".
They didn't for the 2024 General Election as you might have noticed if you PAID ATTENTION. It's why 520,000 SNP voters stayed away and didn't vote.
You need to visit Specsavers, and stop spouting farmyard manure all over the place.
Anyways, I only started posting here in the hope someone in the SNP did some research and passed it on to Swinney. Or SNP members looking in for a voice of sanity. Perhaps they did. It's done now, and the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Lastly, the HOW of Independence is the exercise of self-determination. Think Ahead!
The 2024 election was an exception. Some would say the 2017 election was another. The operative word hear if 'exception'. You seem to 'think' that because they didn't once or twice this must mean they didn't ever.
"You seem to 'think "
Seriously Peter, give it up with the Tarot cards!
Swinney has done it Again!
SNP is a party of the status quo ( even More Devolution)!
Where is the only party I have voted for been so corrupted by Westminster that they would fail to understand the N of SNP stands for !
I will no longer vote for (more of the same).
Where is the party we once were proud to vote for it's gone .
Can John Swinney be bounced into true ACTION and put COUNTRY First and Last
(I doubt it )
Enjoyed your comments on YouTube Peter
devolution in any form is slavery
your english masters telling you what you can and cannot do.
It was dead, cremated and scattered to to the winds, long before now.
Agreed. No more need be said.
Scots have to stand up and be counted.
For OUR Scotland and her ready to fight for Scotland weans
"Delegates roundly endorsed the treachery that their leader proposes - calling it a ‘strategy’."
The first thing I'd say is that 'strategy' has got its work cut out there.
Swinney's response to Graeme McCormick's question about 'what happens when they say no' is "nobody knows the tactics I’ll deploy".
That's a sort of 'trust me, I'm honest but crafty John with a very cunning and, most importantly, secret plan'.
With regards to the residual SNP membership the term 'dumb beast' that you, Peter, often use with respect to the electorate in aggregate could apply even more pertinently to those in the conference hall in Aberdeen that endorsed.
They are supposed to be nationalist 'anoraks'. They are supposed to be 'switched on'. They are supposed to support Scotland's Cause to the exclusion of all else. They are supposed, above all, to back Scotland's popular sovereignty over England's parliamentary sovereignty.
It turns out that the membership dumb beast is a nodding donkey.
Excellent summary of this sad yet rather predictable outcome, Peter. The co-opted National Party colonial payroll continue its deceit, much in line with postcolonial theory and evidence. But the people are moving, on a range of liberation initiatives, yourself at the forefront of political thought on the matter.
For my own part the ongoing Liberation Scotland/Salvo petitioning of the United Nations Committees on Decolonization last week in New York has brought our right to self-determination and denial of this right much greater international attention. And our visits to many Permanent Missions of UN Member States has further expanded their knowledge and understanding of our case.
It is also evident that had the SNP leadership any real interest in independence they would have already long since created a (provisional at least) Scotland Permanent Mission at the UN in readiness for independence, which is defined as decolonization, as well as UN Membership.
https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2025/10/11/the-other-scotland/
The UN initiative is helpful. What is lacking is the internal political and parliamentary process. The hope was that the SNP could be persuaded to fill that role. Yesterday's vote indicates that this is a forlorn hope.
The question therefore is where we find a party that will fill the role.
I disagree. As soon as we are listed as a colony HOLYROOD is of ZERO importance.
Its denizens just colonial administrators.
Liberation Scotland GAVE them all the chance to stand up for Scotland via the Stirling Directive. They couldn't do that as their english bosses told them to ignore it. All the vile "MSP" 'unionists' and the owned, USELESS SNP detractors.
Well, the chickens are heading home to roost.
My hope is that Salvo will work to form a new convention of the estates and hopefully setup a government in waiting. We have treaty and Scottish law and U.N. precedent on OUR side. So to hell with england.
STOP asking for and start TAKING our nation back.
Any by the way, the world HATES colonizers. england=USA=Israel.
We don't need permission or an english run electoral commission.
This is OUR country.
For the colonials mindset owners.
"NO". THERE is "NO" UK.
Whether you agree or not it is a fact that the UN initiative on its own - and assuming it is successful - DOES NOT obviate the need for an internal political and parliamentary process. The Scottish Parliament will still be the Scottish Parliament. The Scottish Government will still be the Scottish Government. None of that is altered by Scotland being added to the NSGT list.
What being on that list means is that the UK Government is prohibited from impeding or interfeing in an interna (to Scotland) decolonisation process. But that decolonisation process has to exist or the prohibition is meaningless.
I've hear all the talk of setting up new institutions to implement the decolonisation process. But such things do not happen as if by magic. It would take time and effort. And there would always be the problem of democratic legitimacy.
And none of it is necessary. We already have a parliament. It is the parliament which was taken from us in 1707. It was returned to us in 1999. But it was returned bearing the chains of devolution. All that's required is that we strike off those chains. Why make it more complicated than it needs to be?
Our first problem is ensuring that the 2026 election is used as the democratic event which initiates the internal process. The SNP is not going to do it. They've told us that they are not going to do it. So, what are we going to do about it?
Now we know for definite that the SNP are a British Nationalist Party and they have no place in Scotland having committed treason against the Scottish People who are Sovereign.
I agree with your comment Jennifer, in constantly taking the actions they have been taking since 2015 , avoiding and evading ANY move towards independence preferring to institute and force through regressive , deviant and perverted policies that the electorate have vehemently opposed they are showing the Brutish nationalist attitude of parliamentary sovereignty where the opinions of the electorate are ignored
I would not call the SNP a "British Nationalist Party". That's ridiculous. It implies they are actively pursuing the aims of British Nationalism. They are not.
The SNP is a failed nationalist party. A horribly failed nationalist party. It is certainly obstructing Scotland's cause. But it is not fighting for the Union. It is simply failing to fight for independence.
If the SNP was a British Nationalist Party we would not expect it to fight for the Union. It is the fact that it is 'the party of independence' which makes its behaviour so disgraceful.
Peter, they are a colonial administration. They ARE Brits doing as their english master tells them. Please review Luggard here.
https://notevenpast.org/the-dual-mandate-in-british-tropical-africa-by-frederick-john-dealtry-lugard-1965/
"Decentralization and continuity could only be achieved if cooperation existed within the administrative chains, especially between the provincial staff and local rulers. The success of Lugard’s Indirect Rule policy — >>>administration through local chiefs>>>under the close supervision of British colonial officers <<<the scottish office>>>> — a system that he tested comprehensively in Nigeria, depended on cooperation. He also encouraged local heirs’ education in order to prevent the emergence of a separate educated class that might challenge the authority of accepted rulers"
I'm well aware of the nature of colonialism, thank you. And I'm aware that the British are well-versed in the 'art' of imperialism. I find it curious, however, that people who imagine we can set up a whole new set of democratic institutions think us incapable of taking control of the institutions we have.
Decolonisation does not mean the destruction of everything associated with colonisation. If it did, there wouldn't be much left of Scotland. All the countries that have been decolonised retained much of what was built under colonisation. The simply repurposed their parliament, courts etc.
We have even greater need to be pragmatic be, as I say, if we strip away everything created under more than three centuries of colonisation, there will be nothing left.
Mindset is important. Don't think of the Scottish Parliament as something England-as-Britain imported and imposed on us. Think of it as our parliament which the British have hijacked. If we think of the coloniser merely as an intruder, then we see only that the intruder must be removed. You wouldn't demolish your house just because it had been burgled.
This makes for a better campaign message, too. The message is that there is an intruder we must eject. The things taken by this intruder must be repossessed.
Take back our government!
Take back our parliament!
Take back our nation!
https://manifestoforindependence.scot/manifesto-for-independence-petition/
#ScottishUDI #ManifestoForIndependence #NewingtonResolution
They aren't "Brits" in the sense of being active advocates for the Union as per your actual British Nationalist and Unionist parties like British Labour, British Liberals and British Conservatives.
They boast, then they cower. They beg for a piece of ... what's already ours.
They are much, much, worse - infinitely more so in fact -than a national embarrassment.
They have undermined Scottish popular sovereignty by taking a course of action that recognises that a foreign government has the power of veto over it.
In short they are now collaborators. And that makes them treacherous to Scotland and Scotland's people.