Prompted by some recent comments on social media regarding various initiatives by different elements of the independence movement, I want to address a couple of fallacies which have long troubled me.
So if the UK government give permission to the USA to use Scotland 's bases to attack another country....without telling the Scottish government.( as they did).is that what you mean by us owning our freedom...? We don't even own our resources let alone our freedom.If the foreign english dump nuclear weapons in our country against our wishes is that what you mean by us owning our freedom.This is all semantics..Why did we stop the Germans invading in WW2..because they were foreigners with no right to our land..just like the foreign english.
I looked up 'assert'.... SD..to 'declare positively.'...and then the foreign english ignore your assertions....whit next?...you then TAKE your rights...I agree it is ours already....but nobody has impressed that on our english invaders..so a bit of reinforcement required....
Any of the Claims of Right that exist, exist within whatever was the ruling system at the time, whether monarch or government. I think a Constitution, if any, should not only be free of politics, but should be free of any consideration of ruling or government or control system. So, for instance:
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"1. The Scottish People have the sovereign right to determine the form of government or control or leadership or similar best suited to their needs and any system of government, oversight, control or similar, who must declare and pledge that in all its and their actions and deliberations the interests of the Scottish People shall be paramount.
2. Any system of government, oversight or control etc. must facilitate a referendum or election whenever the People of Scotland require it, outwith any normally scheduled referendum or election, on presentation of a petition from the People of Scotland in whatever method is current at the time whether paper or electronic or similar means.
3. There shall be an Independent Judiciary. It shall also be custodian of the Constitution"
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And nothing else. Nothing else at all. No nuclear nonsense, no wellbeing, no restrictions on land ownership, income or anything else - these are political.
Not even the country name - it might be Scotland, but it could be Caledonia or even Alba (pronounced with a "b" as in Scots not a "p" as in Gaelic).
Totally agree Peter.Why is it so difficult for our nation to become a free country again.It should be yes we take our freedom ..just like other nations on the planet.We ran our affairs 300 years ago ..fighting off the hostile nation south of us ...doing what other nations do as a matter of course. Did Bannockburn mean nothing.Seems so.
Are we so infantile we cannot steer Scotland ..OUR COUNTRY....as other nations do. Why do we tug the forelock to the sh*te south of us and allow them to rob us of OUR RESOURCES so they can grow ,fatten and prosper while we become the sick man of Europe...and suffer dogs abuse nonstop from our greedy parasitic foreign english invaders.
My simple answer is tell them to leave and if not destroy them.It really is that simple. They shouldn't be in OUR country. We can make their stay very uncomfortable and if need be deadly. They will not leave voluntarily..we are too easy to trample down via THEIR laws.. allowing them to use our country as suits them. The Bannockburn warriors didn't chat about whether Scotland wanted to be rid of the invading foreign english..they just killed them and tossed them oot. Medieval methods...but we can still use the same hostility towards these invaders..and make no mistake ..they are invaders... they will not leave...they have to be wrenched out of our country and removed permanently.
Aberdeen ..hoaching in foreign english ( they follow the money).. they vote back in the english conservatives..even the english in england don't vote for the conservatives....the local Scots probably didn't turn out because of the failure and betrayal of the SNP. I believe the turn out was 38%...probably all foreign english..blame it on the gas and oil I hear..no blame it on the dumb Scots allowing foreigners to take our country ransom.Get off your ars*s Scotland and clean out our country...the SNP will not do it...traitors embedded in parliament....
Excellent comment by SD..particularly the last sentence.I would change one word ..
Independence is ours to TAKE.There is no other way.
The whole constitutional question boils down to the whether or not people believe that that running their own affairs in their own interests and according to their own values, standards and priorities .
I hold an opinion in the affirmative and believe this to be a truth which is self-evident.
Statehood arrangements such as trading, currency, border, internal democracy etc should neither be a condition of, nor binding prior to, the country becoming a nation-state (again). We need to focus on asserting our right of self-determination and exercising it in accordance with our tradition of Scottish popular sovereignty and not dependent on the sanction of a foreign government.
Scottish Independence is ours to have not Westminster’s to give.
So if the UK government give permission to the USA to use Scotland 's bases to attack another country....without telling the Scottish government.( as they did).is that what you mean by us owning our freedom...? We don't even own our resources let alone our freedom.If the foreign english dump nuclear weapons in our country against our wishes is that what you mean by us owning our freedom.This is all semantics..Why did we stop the Germans invading in WW2..because they were foreigners with no right to our land..just like the foreign english.
For OUR Scotland and her weans .
I looked up 'assert'.... SD..to 'declare positively.'...and then the foreign english ignore your assertions....whit next?...you then TAKE your rights...I agree it is ours already....but nobody has impressed that on our english invaders..so a bit of reinforcement required....
For OUR Scotland and her weans
You don't take something you already own.
When I was wee I wanted the Kingdom of Fife to be independent.
Any of the Claims of Right that exist, exist within whatever was the ruling system at the time, whether monarch or government. I think a Constitution, if any, should not only be free of politics, but should be free of any consideration of ruling or government or control system. So, for instance:
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"1. The Scottish People have the sovereign right to determine the form of government or control or leadership or similar best suited to their needs and any system of government, oversight, control or similar, who must declare and pledge that in all its and their actions and deliberations the interests of the Scottish People shall be paramount.
2. Any system of government, oversight or control etc. must facilitate a referendum or election whenever the People of Scotland require it, outwith any normally scheduled referendum or election, on presentation of a petition from the People of Scotland in whatever method is current at the time whether paper or electronic or similar means.
3. There shall be an Independent Judiciary. It shall also be custodian of the Constitution"
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
And nothing else. Nothing else at all. No nuclear nonsense, no wellbeing, no restrictions on land ownership, income or anything else - these are political.
Not even the country name - it might be Scotland, but it could be Caledonia or even Alba (pronounced with a "b" as in Scots not a "p" as in Gaelic).
Totally agree Peter.Why is it so difficult for our nation to become a free country again.It should be yes we take our freedom ..just like other nations on the planet.We ran our affairs 300 years ago ..fighting off the hostile nation south of us ...doing what other nations do as a matter of course. Did Bannockburn mean nothing.Seems so.
Are we so infantile we cannot steer Scotland ..OUR COUNTRY....as other nations do. Why do we tug the forelock to the sh*te south of us and allow them to rob us of OUR RESOURCES so they can grow ,fatten and prosper while we become the sick man of Europe...and suffer dogs abuse nonstop from our greedy parasitic foreign english invaders.
My simple answer is tell them to leave and if not destroy them.It really is that simple. They shouldn't be in OUR country. We can make their stay very uncomfortable and if need be deadly. They will not leave voluntarily..we are too easy to trample down via THEIR laws.. allowing them to use our country as suits them. The Bannockburn warriors didn't chat about whether Scotland wanted to be rid of the invading foreign english..they just killed them and tossed them oot. Medieval methods...but we can still use the same hostility towards these invaders..and make no mistake ..they are invaders... they will not leave...they have to be wrenched out of our country and removed permanently.
Aberdeen ..hoaching in foreign english ( they follow the money).. they vote back in the english conservatives..even the english in england don't vote for the conservatives....the local Scots probably didn't turn out because of the failure and betrayal of the SNP. I believe the turn out was 38%...probably all foreign english..blame it on the gas and oil I hear..no blame it on the dumb Scots allowing foreigners to take our country ransom.Get off your ars*s Scotland and clean out our country...the SNP will not do it...traitors embedded in parliament....
Excellent comment by SD..particularly the last sentence.I would change one word ..
Independence is ours to TAKE.There is no other way.
For OUR Scotland and her disengaged weans.
I used "have" advisedly.
We don't need to take it. It is ours already. We just need to assert our ownership.
The whole constitutional question boils down to the whether or not people believe that that running their own affairs in their own interests and according to their own values, standards and priorities .
I hold an opinion in the affirmative and believe this to be a truth which is self-evident.
Statehood arrangements such as trading, currency, border, internal democracy etc should neither be a condition of, nor binding prior to, the country becoming a nation-state (again). We need to focus on asserting our right of self-determination and exercising it in accordance with our tradition of Scottish popular sovereignty and not dependent on the sanction of a foreign government.
Scottish Independence is ours to have not Westminster’s to give.